Hall Plan Question

[Los_Lobos]

Good morning, on this plan it just says to use random width boards for the front panel N in pic, are these glued together to make a panel or does each piece just float freely? Also do the sides look like they used dowels to attach?

Thanks, Les

[imahic]

Les, from the picture provided it appears to me that the ends of panel N are attached by dowels. I would also assume from the picture that the boards that make up panel N are ship lapped joints or tongue and groove.

[art3427]

If I were doing this I would T&G the "N" boards to each other but do not glue. I would also assemble them with with room for expansion. Part "O" indicates that "N" is attached to them by T&G also. This joint should also be glueless to provide for the inevitable expansion in "N."

art

[sawduster]

I'm not at all thrilled with that design, especially panel N. Since that panel appears to be structural, it would need to be a solid glue up, but the grain direction makes it a candidate for significant wood movement and I don't see where that has been taken into account.

[rhull]

Apr 6, 2010 9:24:47 GMT -6 sawduster said:

I'm not at all thrilled with that design, especially panel N. Since that panel appears to be structural, it would need to be a solid glue up, but the grain direction makes it a candidate for significant wood movement and I don't see where that has been taken into account.

If [L] is really the structural support for , then [N] wouldn't really provide much structural support for except perhaps in the center of the seat.

That point said, I agree. I don't like that part of the design either. It could probably work with t&g or shiplap, and some space integrated into the panel boards to allow for movement, but it all seems a bit iffy.

[sawduster]

I was more concerned with the structure of the box itself, and not so much the seat bottom.

[Los_Lobos]

Yea, its not the best plan I have seen but it is the style she wants so will have to figure it out. I agree with the structure issues of the front panel, it appears they have not attached part O in any way that I can see, so do you think that they glued just the two outside panel boards to part O to keep it and the panels in place?

Thanks, Les

[sawduster]

I think that is how I'd handle it, glue the end pieces of the panel into R and O and float the other pieces maybe doing T & G like Art mentioned on the long edges to take up the slack/gap from movement.

[wisardd1]

I remember you were looking for some plans. I came across this

store.woodworkersjournal.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=EA777C5B76E24E90AF8D16FC432A27CA&nm=&type=Commerce&mod=GenComProductCatalog&mid=B4917A2439434EC69D686ECC2AA0136A&tier=3&id=BAE6283B55F64DA1B65A9D41BA5B0074&itemid=10101

[JBark]

I don't see how N can not be a structural support once someone sits on A. A would have to be fairly short not to flex and it is not, nor does it have any battens for added rigidity. I think your best bet is to use a pice of ply for N which can still be done if you want to use the tongue and groove look. A number of random kerfs in the play would give the same look and the stock could only be perceived as ply with very close examination. Of course you also run into a problem with the sides expansion with their relationship to the bottom.

I've always thought that the best method for making one of those was to frame and panel the sides.