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Post by imahic on Apr 2, 2010 18:55:30 GMT -6
The other day in the shop I forgot to lock the fence down on my table saw and was cutting a piece of mdf. The fence moved and the piece I was cutting shot back and caught me in the ribs. Not as bad as it could have been and just a small bruise but it was from me not paying attention. I know better. Was lurking in another forum and saw a pic posted about a guy the poster knew who he describes as very novice woodworker. The guy was jointing a piece of wood on the jointer (short piece) and it kicked back. Hand meets jointer. This is a link to the post of what his hand looked like. Very Graphic so if you have a weak stomach you might want to move on. Thought I would post it as a reminder to us all to pay attention. www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=4813282&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o= |
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Post by Joe Lyddon on Apr 2, 2010 19:19:26 GMT -6
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Post by Ruffnek on Apr 2, 2010 20:51:05 GMT -6
Yep, woodworking tools can bite! It's human nature to become distracted, complacent, over-confident, etc. ...all the things that can lead to a physical mistake.
It's a very smart person who can recognize those things before an accident occurs.
I wonder what the accident pyramid in a woodworking shop looks like? How many near misses, first aids, and injury treatment cases before someone is permanently maimed? Would it be similar to the rest of industry, worse?, better?
Any trained safety weenies in here?
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Post by Joe Lyddon on Apr 2, 2010 21:48:55 GMT -6
That is ONE mean looking hand!  Hope he's OK... I think it could have been a lot worse... |
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Post by dcarter636 on Apr 3, 2010 9:21:44 GMT -6
Dang, that made me tremble after viewing.
He got about what I figure is the best case for a inattentive jointer bite, but it looks more gruesome in a photo than it had looked in imagination for the past twenty five years.
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Post by Gecko on Apr 3, 2010 16:56:17 GMT -6
Jeez. I am glad it was just a bruise. Thanks for the heads up on safety.
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Post by sachbvn on Apr 4, 2010 6:24:34 GMT -6
That was disgusting alright - but a good reminder.
I don't know the circumstances but being "*VERY* novice" I can only imagine that push blocks were no where in this picture.....
Glad you are ok - do you have anti-kickback pawls on your saw?
Isn't it weird how you can have 99 cuts on the TS that go just fine (especially rips) but every now and again you get that real nasty bugger that makes you glad you were paying attention and had whatever safety measures in place that you use.
Zac
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Post by imahic on Apr 4, 2010 8:46:59 GMT -6
"Glad you are ok - do you have anti-kickback pawls on your saw?"
Thanks Zac. Yes I do have the pawls available but they haven't been on the saw since it was new....lol. Might not be a bad idea to put them back on. This is the third saw I have owned and never used the guard on any of them. When my dad and his partner had the cabinet shop none of theirs ever had them on either. I usually pay better attention but guess I got in a hurry this time. I was watching the edge against the fence to make sure it stayed against it and it did....trouble is the fence moved cause it wasn't latched down. Just a dumb mistake.
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Post by sonnyedmonds on Apr 28, 2010 20:40:33 GMT -6
Yep.
Them machines can slick off a knot in a hunk of wood.
Bone ain't nothin to that sharp spinnin steel. And the stuff around that bone is just so much red lubricant.
Think.
Then think again.
Always do a dry run with the power off.
If it doesn't feel good with the power off, it is likely to feel a whole lot worse if the chit hits the fan.
Ya otta print out some of these pictures and put one on your machine. Nothing like a graphic reminder to keep you focused.
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Post by maxwellsmart007 on Apr 29, 2010 7:38:45 GMT -6
I noticed yesterday that my table saw fence flexes as I push on it...can't be a good thing! I'm doubly careful when cutting on the tablesaw. My tablesaw comes up to about my crotch area, and I'm right handed, so when I'm standing in front of the saw, the kickback zone is... Well, it's enough to make me VERY careful!  |
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Post by art3427 on Apr 29, 2010 9:17:18 GMT -6
I've elected not to look at the picture. I was working in a shop where a guy cut the first joint on 3 fingers off on a jointer. No guard, no push blocks, 6" of cutter exposed to straighten a 3/4" edge and looking all around instead of watching his hands and the exposed cutter.
I've made the same mistake of starting a rip w/out locking the fence in place.
art
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Post by mcbryde on May 17, 2010 19:24:35 GMT -6
It can and does happen a blink of an eye! My thumb is still healing from the table saw!
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Post by fredbelknap on May 17, 2010 19:49:07 GMT -6
I noticed yesterday that my table saw fence flexes as I push on it...can't be a good thing! I'm doubly careful when cutting on the tablesaw. My tablesaw comes up to about my crotch area, and I'm right handed, so when I'm standing in front of the saw, the kickback zone is... Well, it's enough to make me VERY careful! If I am going to rip something rather large I often put a magnetic base off a dial gauge set up behind the end of the fence. You have to push real hard on mine to get it to flex. |
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Post by TDHofstetter on May 17, 2010 20:08:07 GMT -6
I've been known to clamp the rear of the fence down hard after it's set up the way I want it...
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Post by mapleman on May 18, 2010 8:13:05 GMT -6
my fence is a cabled system that locks front and back ont he big Grizz... so not deflection problems. as good as the biesemyer probably is (having never used one), i like the front and back locking mechanism a little, methinks... my old jet had a front lockonly and i would routinely clamp the back (especially for plywood cuts)....
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Post by Ruffnek on May 18, 2010 17:24:07 GMT -6
I noticed yesterday that my table saw fence flexes as I push on it...can't be a good thing! I'm doubly careful when cutting on the tablesaw. My tablesaw comes up to about my crotch area, and I'm right handed, so when I'm standing in front of the saw, the kickback zone is... Well, it's enough to make me VERY careful! Don't be too concerned, Andrew. Having kids is overrated, anyway. ;D Seriously, T-Square fences like the Biesemeyer are built like a tank. I can't imagine the rear needing to be secured. Even when using vertical featherboards, the weight of the fence is more than enough to prevent the stock lifting. If it still does, you need to use straighter, flatter stock. I guess there's nothing wrong with securing it if you can do so easily...I can't because my outfeed table is flush against the rear rail. But, I don't think it's necessary with a good fence. FWIW, one of the mags had a tip where the back end of a tubular fence had a hole drilled through it with a hook that could be rotated and would go under the rail with a knob to tighten it down...basically clamping it in place. IIRC, it was primarily for using vertical featherboards on the fence. |
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Post by TDHofstetter on May 18, 2010 19:02:58 GMT -6
FWIW, one of the mags had a tip where the back end of a tubular fence had a hole drilled through it with a hook that could be rotated and would go under the rail with a knob to tighten it down...basically clamping it in place. IIRC, it was primarily for using vertical featherboards on the fence. That's pretty GOOD. |
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Post by maxwellsmart007 on May 19, 2010 9:38:34 GMT -6
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Post by brent on Jun 7, 2010 15:38:04 GMT -6
When my first saw started getting old, the fence stopped locking down. It was a cheap cam-lock setup that just wore out. I tried to adjust it, but there was nothing left. The handle was hollow so I clamped a pair of vice-grips on it and the extra weigh helped hold the handle down. No, that is not one of my more shining moments in life.
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Post by wisardd1 on Jun 15, 2010 10:45:18 GMT -6
I posted this elsewhere about a month ago. It isn't about getting maimed, but nonetheless, on topic with keeping our head in the game:
Today, I made some really stupid mistakes. I mortised some holes on the wrong side of the legs of a couple of nightstands I have been working on. They are recoverable, but it set me to thinking.
Let first first say I am just a beginner. I took up woodworking about 18 months ago. From knowing nothing I have built an Arts and Crafts queen side bed, a desk of the same genre, mulitple picture frames, quilt stands, clocks, etc. I jumped in with both feet, bought the tools necessary to have a workshop, invested time and money, and have become dedicated to the art of woodwork and furniture building (along with carving).
The lesson that stands out to me most at this point in my endeavors is how important it is to know your frame of mind and where you are when you walk out into the shop and start working with power tools, hand tools, measuring, designing, adjusting, and fixing. What I have learned is that the more brain cells that are firing the better off you are. Too early, too late, too preoccupied, or too anything is a detriment. I have come to the conclusion that is it very important to know yourself and your different states of mind to be 1. efficient 2. accurate 3. to follow the rule "do it once and do it right" and most all 4. To be safe.
Just my thoughts and I wanted to share them to see what others might think about this experience.
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